Yes that is me, i don't remember that story, but I am that person. Dennis rented next door to where i still live. The travelers checks mentioned were hidden in Rose's Kotex box. Norm the dad i believe was beaten up by the chief of police. Then I think the chief of police was connected with Quintero. In the paper a year or two ago Quintero was released from prison completing his sentence. I was under the impression Quintero did the killings, so this startling news to me.
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Mexican drug lord El Chapo personally killed 4 Witnesses in the 80's
by Richard_I inus prosecutors are reportedly considering charging 'el chapo' guzman with the killings of 6 us citizens and a dea agent.
"the first killings came on december 2, 1984, when four jehovah's witness missionaries, two men and two women, knocked on the door of a drug lord.
godoy, who was then also working as a body guard for ernesto fonseca, another guadalajara kingpin, said the missionaries were tortured and the women raped.
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Mexican drug lord El Chapo personally killed 4 Witnesses in the 80's
by Richard_I inus prosecutors are reportedly considering charging 'el chapo' guzman with the killings of 6 us citizens and a dea agent.
"the first killings came on december 2, 1984, when four jehovah's witness missionaries, two men and two women, knocked on the door of a drug lord.
godoy, who was then also working as a body guard for ernesto fonseca, another guadalajara kingpin, said the missionaries were tortured and the women raped.
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Chihuahua huh
story; Redding elder partners with younger Mexican brother start a cast iron bird cage manufacturing business in Chihuahua. Becomes friends with wealthy bakery business owner. Tells his girls about my boys, of which resulted in two weddings, both failures.
In time elder starts to force the younger Mexican out of partnership, Mexicans father in law [a saw filer in lumber mill, so he is very smart] tells son in law to tell his folks, who then tell Mexican branch of family. They grab elder in Chihuahua, stick a gun down his throat, tell him he can either buy out the Mexican partner or they will kill him and plant him in the Mexican desert. He buys out Mexican. Comes back with a very serious case of post traumatic stress syndrome, claiming from a accident he witnessed a kid, becomes a pill junkie.
Mexican's father in law meets me in hardware store, knows the elder created problems for me, so tells me the story. which is confirmed by a Mexican doctor i connected with in Chihuahua and also son who was living in Chihuahua. I use the story in my letter writing campaign attacking the elder's step father who plays a major part in a Lev.5:1 story I have been embroiled in for 27 years. I go after elder for concealing the info that one Mexican JW family arranges to have greedy elder killed yet step father with holds from Service Dept. information about a $4.250M unregistered securities swindle. The main thing i am doing is playing a 'chess game' with Merton Campbell Northern Calif Service Desk [although i did not know his name until three years ago] putting in letters to publishers homes for all to see hypocrisy of elders.
Service Dept kept the Mexican justice quite and only removed step father elder from being PO and put a idiot in his place. I was pulling the chain of the Service dept guy, he knew it but could not let on, the church grape vine had plenty to talk about, as that was a on going 'chess game' being played out in letters to the publishers homes that drove the church to put the issue into their "Human Apostate" talk of 2013. The same year they revised Lev.5:1 in new RNWT.
just mind blowing that the church would cover one JW family arranging for the murder of a greedy elder. But probably what happened the Redding branch of the Mexican family just asked the Chihuahua branch to do something and the Chihuahua branch made sure he got the point. But a lot of things get covered in Redding.
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Mexican drug lord El Chapo personally killed 4 Witnesses in the 80's
by Richard_I inus prosecutors are reportedly considering charging 'el chapo' guzman with the killings of 6 us citizens and a dea agent.
"the first killings came on december 2, 1984, when four jehovah's witness missionaries, two men and two women, knocked on the door of a drug lord.
godoy, who was then also working as a body guard for ernesto fonseca, another guadalajara kingpin, said the missionaries were tortured and the women raped.
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That was Dennis and Rose Carlson from Redding Ca. I forget the names of the other couple, they were from Reno Nev.. The woman's mom lived in Redding. The State Dept. notified the Sheriffs Dept, the Sargent [whom I knew] came to my house as the Carlson's were neighbors, i notified the family.
The dad Norm went to Guadalajara got beat by chief of police. Came back without any info.
The drug lord whose house was visited, was released from prison a couple of years ago, completing his sentence.
I did not know Rose was raped.
If i remember correct these were the same guys how assonated a Catholic Cardinal or Bishop shooting his car.
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Letters Project - What do I say to my family
by Odrade inhey my old friends, i figured since this is where we landed when we first fled the watchtower, looking for support, back in '03, maybe i should pop back in and show you my latest project - i see some familiar faces around here.
i've been working on a website to function as part story, part news.
my plan is to feature what people are doing to integrate/reintegrate into their community - whether that's remaining in the xjw circles to help others who are leaving, or moving out into the larger social sphere and starting projects, being activists for other causes, etc.
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Letters Huh
I have written a few, tried to count them but the Windows vista crashed which had most of them, so just a estimate some where over 300. They are the letters that the WTB&TS referred to in the 2013 summer convention talk entitled "Human Apostates" talk.. They said "there is a new tact tic apostates are using, sending letters to the publishers homes" or so as I only heard the quote on this site by two posters. Five of my sons was attending and heard that statement and knew they were talking about their dad.
The reason they were written to the homes of the publishers was that the church "wall of silence" is penetrated as I was plugging directly into church grape vine. It worked great.
Evidently they are from out of left field, hard to understand as I have only had one person show any interest in them. Although there was one little point picked up on which got included in a project they were working on. Supposedly they are close to getting done and I think they are going have posting somewhere. So after I get to see the project perhaps you may be interested in some.
You are going to need a 'bleep' button if you are interested in posting them.
Bill
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The JW's 2 witness rule applied to Molestation is wrong AND HERE'S WHY
by wozza inthis is not the first time i've written about this, but with the royal commission happening here in australia, and having fought against the wts on this problem of molestation in the wts over a period of 15 years i feel a need to explain what i found which contradicts what the wts says and the way they handle cases within their society.. i am not going to give the history of my involvement but just state simply why no-one can believe what the wts says ,and we all know the scriptures they use to not handle cases of molestation properly , so here goes , it's not tricky or hard to understand i think, but just use the bible against them (hope this is used at the commission).. i,m using the revised berkely version in plain english here ,.
the context is law giving in the book of deuteronomy ch 22 : vs 22 - 27. vs 22 "when a man is surprised abed with a married woman,they shall both die ,the man who lay with the woman and the woman too; you shall wipe out the evil from israel.".
so this is easy to grasp ,man sleeps with married woman ,judged to die -they got caught.. next vs 23- 24 "when a man comes upon a girl in the city, who is a virgin betrothed to another , and he lies with her,24 you shall bring them both to the gate of the city and stone them to death, the girl because she did not cry out, although the city was all about her, and the man because he violated his neighbour's wife.
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I have used your workmanship in my own project in Redding Calif. I was very impressed as to how important this played in ARC. Very Impressed
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Personal Data Permission (Spain)
by paradiseseeker ini had the meeting yesterday and there it was announced that there will be a new law passed in spain regarding personal data.
that law makes it compulsory for the wt spanish branch to collect a signed permission from the publishers to keep and utilize personal data.
no choice was given to us, we were just told to make sure we hand in our signed permissions before may 18th.
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I wish this situation came about in the mid 1980's when I was an elder and realized Matt.24:34 was headed down the tube in 1984. This would of been a beautiful 'graceful way out', just don't sign and be a elder no more. That would of been sweet.
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Who Are You?
by compound complex ini have made repeated attempts to move on with my life despite your decision to plague my every thought and move.
i cannot move forward.
a change of venue, that of diet, even new clothes have afforded me a frivolous and temporary elevation of spirits.
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Very impressive. I know exactly what you are saying.
Here it is a mental bondage that silences a voice to be heard, to be able to teach 5 sons and 10 grandchildren. Today as I read your words i wait to see what results if any will a letter to County Mental Health will have the power to break the power of "Who Are You" that has controlled all the decisions that a family i have financed for 48 years is held bondage to.
I have #5 son of whom I have written about here, currently in their control as a direct result of the incompetence of WTB&TS Northern Calif. Service Dept. Desk [same guy who cost the WTB&TS a lot of money with the Red Bluff molester Henderson] handling of a $4.250M unregistered securities fraud. The object of that letter is; can I actually get the WTB&TS into court on a civil rights violation. Just a one man project that is comprised of out of the box thinking.
There is a three year project out there that is going to have a large impact on breaking the power of "Who Are You" in our Northern Calif. area, but it is a slow go, been like a "carrot on a stick in front of a horse" . That I don't think will be published it time to save my son's chances for recovery.
I have only been at the project of breaking the power of "Who Are You" since 1989. So as i read your post I am in another waiting game to see if I finally succeeded in breaking that power. As I said just a one man project, but your writing was a very powerful and beautiful assessment of that which has controlled my existence. Very well done!
Bill
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Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - San Diego Reader (California, US), Friday, January 12, 2018
by darkspilver injehovah's witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - san diego reader (california, us), friday, january 12, 2018.
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Jehovah's Witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - San Diego Reader (California, US), Friday, January 12, 2018
by darkspilver injehovah's witnesses to settle sex-abuse case - san diego reader (california, us), friday, january 12, 2018.
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supposedly at the end of this month.
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Were visits to the library an important part of your childhood?
by compound complex ingreetings, fellow bibliophiles:.
i remember how sad i was, as a little child, when our beloved carnegie library was razed (unsafe, structurally).
the same tragedy occurred when we moved to a new town and that similar architectural treasure was demolished to put up a new and gleaming building of steel and glass.
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Horatio Hornblower, Max Brand, Zane Grey, "Audel's" tool books, good stuff to escape into.